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No, not mine. that isn't for another few decades.

neeuqdrazil's brother is getting married Canada Day long weekend, and I am tired of being one of those guys wearing a black suit, black tie and a red dress shirt to try to look slightly alternative while still conforming. Wearing all neo-victorian/steampunk formal wear has its own problems since I may end up looking fancier/more formal than the groom.

He's getting married in Nova Scotia.

I've been pondering getting a proper kilt - as in buying one. I'd probably wear it every now and then, so it'd probably be worth it. The kilt alone should be within budget, but I don't know that I can justify to myself buying the rest of the kit - the Bonnie Prince Charlie velvet jacket, the ruffly white shirt (that is a different style than the ruffly white shirt I already own), the big socks, the sock knife, etc. I likely would only wear that stuff to weddings or other occasional formal events.

I have quite a bit of random formal wear in the general Western tradition, with a significant Neo-victorian bent. This leaves me wondering if I can get away with putting together the rest of the outfit with stuff I already own.

So I turn to you, O Flist, for your opinions on wedding-wear for the modern weirdo.

Which of the following kilty options are appropriate for Zil's brother's wedding?

Full kit only - Prince Charlie velvet jacket, kilt hose, sgian dubh, ruffle shirt
mish-mash of formal wear - kilt + tail coat, wing-tip collar shirt or regency style ruffle shirt, vest, shoes, maybe a cravat
modern formal (suit, oxford shirt +tie) over kilt
black utilikilt + slightly steampunk/neovictorian formalwear on top. Maybe combat boots or New Rocks?
9 yards of plaid, a saffron shirt and some woad
Ticky Box
An A-line velvet skirt and a nice sleeveless top and some modest pumps
All these choices are terrible.


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Apr. 28th, 2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
the Nasty Fashionista says:
modern formal (suit, oxford shirt +tie) over kilt

under absolutely NO circumstances is this a good idea; the cut of a modern suit jacket is completely at odds with the flare on a kilt even over a man's hips, plus the hemline is often too long to ride well on the pleats.

so no, no, no, and no.

i like the 9 yards of plaid and some woad though. it *can* get awfully damned hot at that time of year, even in the Atlantic provinces.
Apr. 29th, 2009 01:37 am (UTC)
Re: the Nasty Fashionista says:
What she said.
Apr. 28th, 2009 07:58 pm (UTC)
The result of this vote is binding, right?
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:02 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I have to give neeuqdrazil veto rights on this since it is her brother. Were it mine, I'd just be going right to the woad.
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:03 pm (UTC)
I say only the full kit because of where you will be. I don't imagine that the fine folks of Nova Scotia will take too kindly to messing with their precious kilts, and they are somewhat more traditional that Bloor/Yonge ;-)
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:05 pm (UTC)
My Nova Scotian coworker claims that I'm likely to be the only guy in a kilt at all - he's never seen someone in a kilt at a wedding.
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:10 pm (UTC)
I wore a kilt and suit jacket to pixel and spice's wedding..
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
that's what i was coming here to say :) the outfit worked well!
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)
I wore my Prince Charlie with a standard white shirt. There is room for play there. However, much_ado is right, a modern jacket is to long to mesh with a kilt.
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:14 pm (UTC)
you can never go wrong with woad.

even at a wedding.
Apr. 29th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
Depends on where woad is applied. Because there's the post-wedding cleanup to think of, and some places, you'll be scraping blue out of for *weeks*.
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
If you've got a somewhat nicer utilikilt, I could see that, if you're not worried about the social implications; the standard canvas ones really aren't good enough for a wedding. Also, I'll second the bit where you need to have a jacket that's cut to work with it, so no standard suit jackets. A tail coat could work, if it was cut right.

It's worth really thinking about what the wedding is going to be like, sadly -- it is kind of important to keep everyone happy there. A full kilt may actually be the best available option that's both expressive and socially acceptable.
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'd given thought to getting one of the dressy utilikilts, but the one I have is one of the heavy cotton ones, and it's well-worn. At this point, I might not even have time to order a new utilikilt if I wanted to - the shipping times can be very unpredictable across the border.
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Apr. 28th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
I'm a big fan of the utilikilt in general, and they do make one that they call something like a tuxedo utilikilt - fancier fabric than the typical canvas. Plus, then you have a semi-practical item of clothing, unlike most items you might buy to wear to a wedding.

My ex wore his ordinary black canvas utilikilt when we were part of our friends' wedding party, and it went over super well. Even the super-conservative grandmother thought it looked nice. :)
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
I'm a little torn on the the PC for the wedding as a guest. I've done it before myself, but generally speaking it's a bit over-kill (akin to wearing a tux). I'd suggest an Argyle jacket and ditch the vest myself.
Apr. 28th, 2009 09:06 pm (UTC)
Hmm. I know Zil's dad has his own tux (he needs one often enough to justify it). I should find out if he's going to wear it. That'd give me a good reference point.
Apr. 28th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
much as I'm tempted to tick one of the latter few, I thought you might want my honest opinion about what would be appropriate at the wedding of someone who (If I'm understanding correctly) may or may not be of like minds to the rest of our friends.

If I was ever planning to get married again, I'd probably request the A line skirt, they're just so flattering to the figure!
Apr. 28th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
A lot depends on how well you know the people getting married, what their preferences are, and what the other guests will be expecting. Some weddings are pretty conservative and you probably don't want to be wearing anything other than standard formal wear for those, or at least not more than a very slight variation on it; others are more appreciative of creativity.

In this case, hopefully neeuqdrazil knows her family's preferences well enough to know what would fly and what wouldn't -- and she seems to be pushing for the Utilikilt in her comment below, so that suggests you do have a certain level of creative freedom here. :-)

BTW, when kettunainen and I got married, our invitations said that people should dress up -- in whatever way said "special occasion" to them. We gave as examples that that could be anything from standard formal wear to pagan ritual garb to Victorian gothic attire. And we had as mixed an array of outfits on the guests as you might expect -- people in suits mixing with people in corsets and multicoloured dreadlocks and what not. It was pretty cool, and if were to someday get married again, that would probably the approach I'd want to take then too.
Apr. 28th, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
Well, I know the Zil-Bro moderately well. Enough that he knows I'm weird, and should have some expectation that I'll do something at least a bit odd. The Zil-Fam are used to me showing up up to casual social events in my utilikilt, for example. I figure that gets me at least a little leeway.

I don't know the bride or her family that well, so that's the x-factor here.
Apr. 28th, 2009 09:22 pm (UTC)
I've seen the suited kilt look and it's a bit less formal, but you can dress it up a bit with a partial sash in your tartan. I'd prefer tails with the kilt if you're not going for the full look. All depends on the formality of the wedding. Just don't muck up the shoes!

(The groom and his attendants and his father wore full kit at our wedding, and we had a number of guests in all states of kiltedness and tartan. I recommend the wearing of the kilt highly.)
Apr. 29th, 2009 03:56 am (UTC)
As said groom, I agree with my bride.

For our attendants who did not wish to purchase their own kilts, we arranged for them to rent full kit kilts. You might well be able to rent the prince charlie and buy a kilt, and get the rest of your kit in shape later.

If you go with a less-formal coat, you might also consider a waistcoat under it. It's a nice option for dressing up a standard jacket and tie...
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:10 pm (UTC)
I'm a big fan of Ticky Box, myself. Less brattily, I'd opine for the tailcoat option or some variation thereon.
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid the velvet jacket is over the top for a wedding you aren't a member of ...

I think the mish mash is the best answer, with a tail coat. Yummy.
Of course this option with the Utilikilt would also be nice.
Apr. 28th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
The full kilt sounds lovely, but wearing it in the middle of June could leave you hot, sweaty and very cranky.
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